[Speculation] Canucks clearing Cap for Hamonic

[theo5789]

7 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said:

The Vegas series exposed a few major flaws associated with the roster and the staffs tendency to play a prevent type style when the team is leading in the third - imo.  The affect on Vegas' confidence was not really about some amazing strategy that the Canucks was employing (cause Vegas' strategy of heavy forecheckin was working) but rather it WAS THE AMAZING PERFORMANCE OF DEMKO.

 

The Canucks during the St Louis series was mostly (imo) about them burying there chances against a struggling Binnington and if Binnington was not struggling with that defence & there style of play that series would had been a different story.

 

The addition of NS is great for the d core and hopefully it will allow the staff to employ a different strategy when protecting a lead in the third rather than defaulting to a prevent style strategy which in the past cause them to over deploy certain player(s) - Edler.

 

Really looking forward as to how the staff will utilize this re vamp roster.  

It wasn't a constant 5 on 0 against Demko. We played a bunkered system to force Vegas to the outside. Demko needed to be on top of his game for this to be effective, but it was a strategy change based on schedule and a more dominant team. Our team was far from perfect and changes were needed, but you cannot deny that there wasn't a shift in how we played that nearly worked. It's not an amazing strategy, but it was a necessary one if we wanted to stand a chance. Demko performed and we got the break we needed. Unfortunately Boeser didn't bury his chance which could've crippled their morale completely.

 

We faced Allen as well in the Blues series. In the end, it didn't matter who they had in net. We didn't allow Binnington to find his groove. We played against a team that very recently knew how to take it all the way and they couldn't stop us. There is no reason to try and diminish it. Perhaps Binnington looked bad because we made him look bad. If we want to play the what if game that could change series, then there are so many factors involved that could turn the tide in any series.

 

One day we may have enough talent to play more of a run and gun style, but until then, the coaching staff has to make due with what they've got and the ultimate goal is to try to get the most out of them. Pushing the team to get the Vegas series to 7 games is an example of that.

[DeNiro]

Elder Schmidt

Hughes Hamonic

Juolevi Myers

 

Benn, Rafferty 

 

Thats the type of depth we need.

[aGENT]

7 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said:

The Vegas series exposed a few major flaws associated with the roster and the staffs tendency to play a prevent type style when the team is leading in the third - imo.  The affect on Vegas' confidence was not really about some amazing strategy that the Canucks was employing (cause Vegas' strategy of heavy forecheckin was working) but rather it WAS THE AMAZING PERFORMANCE OF DEMKO.

 

The Canucks during the St Louis series was mostly (imo) about them burying there chances against a struggling Binnington and if Binnington was not struggling with that defence & there style of play that series would had been a different story.

 

The addition of NS is great for the d core and hopefully it will allow the staff to employ a different strategy when protecting a lead in the third rather than defaulting to a prevent style strategy which in the past cause them to over deploy certain player(s) - Edler.

 

Really looking forward as to how the staff will utilize this re vamp roster.  

 

12 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

It wasn't a constant 5 on 0 against Demko. We played a bunkered system to force Vegas to the outside. Demko needed to be on top of his game for this to be effective, but it was a strategy change based on schedule and a more dominant team. Our team was far from perfect and changes were needed, but you cannot deny that there wasn't a shift in how we played that nearly worked. It's not an amazing strategy, but it was a necessary one if we wanted to stand a chance. Demko performed and we got the break we needed. Unfortunately Boeser didn't bury his chance which could've crippled their morale completely.

 

We faced Allen as well in the Blues series. In the end, it didn't matter who they had in net. We didn't allow Binnington to find his groove. We played against a team that very recently knew how to take it all the way and they couldn't stop us. There is no reason to try and diminish it. Perhaps Binnington looked bad because we made him look bad. If we want to play the what if game that could change series, then there are so many factors involved that could turn the tide in any series.

 

One day we may have enough talent to play more of a run and gun style, but until then, the coaching staff has to make due with what they've got and the ultimate goal is to try to get the most out of them. Pushing the team to get the Vegas series to 7 games is an example of that.

You're both also ignoring how hobbled we were.

 

Green didn't just decide to play that way as a plan to beat a 'better' Vegas team. We were no longer healthy enough to play a higher pressure system even if we wanted to.

[theo5789]

2 minutes ago, aGENT said:

 

You're both also ignoring how hobbled we were.

 

Green didn't just decide to play that way as a plan to beat a 'better' Vegas team. We were no longer healthy enough to play a higher pressure system even if we wanted to.

Yes but that's exasperated from the compressed schedule with little breaks between series. Unlike Vegas who had a round robin and finished a series early and were well rested by the time they faced us. We were gassed against a dominant team and Marky got hurt leading to a shift in depending on our most rested player up to that point. We conserved as much energy as we could for the counter.

[Angry Goose]

28 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

It wasn't a constant 5 on 0 against Demko. We played a bunkered system to force Vegas to the outside. Demko needed to be on top of his game for this to be effective, but it was a strategy change based on schedule and a more dominant team. Our team was far from perfect and changes were needed, but you cannot deny that there wasn't a shift in how we played that nearly worked. It's not an amazing strategy, but it was a necessary one if we wanted to stand a chance. Demko performed and we got the break we needed. Unfortunately Boeser didn't bury his chance which could've crippled their morale completely.

 

We faced Allen as well in the Blues series. In the end, it didn't matter who they had in net. We didn't allow Binnington to find his groove. We played against a team that very recently knew how to take it all the way and they couldn't stop us. There is no reason to try and diminish it. Perhaps Binnington looked bad because we made him look bad. If we want to play the what if game that could change series, then there are so many factors involved that could turn the tide in any series.

 

One day we may have enough talent to play more of a run and gun style, but until then, the coaching staff has to make due with what they've got and the ultimate goal is to try to get the most out of them. Pushing the team to get the Vegas series to 7 games is an example of that.

well said!   Canucks just didnt match up well with Vegas.  I imagine with roster adjustment you'll see a more 'fan friendly' style of defending i.e. more opposition turnovers/quick transition out of the d zone.  That being said, even with an adjusted line up Vegas is a tough team to defend against.

Edited December 16, 2020 by SILLY GOOSE

[JeremyCuddles]

People say he's physical, but I dunno if he really brings a lot of physicality. He's had 2 really physical seasons. The rest are pretty average. He does get in front of a few pucks though. So that'd be pretty neat to have to replace Tanev's blocking prowess. I just wanna know how well he is at retrieving pucks. We need to relieve the defensive pressure compared to next last year. Our goalies have been getting obliterated. If he can help take pressure off them I am all for it. We got offensive guns that need to be in the offensive zone.

[ShawnAntoski]

1 hour ago, theo5789 said:

It wasn't a constant 5 on 0 against Demko. We played a bunkered system to force Vegas to the outside. Demko needed to be on top of his game for this to be effective, but it was a strategy change based on schedule and a more dominant team. Our team was far from perfect and changes were needed, but you cannot deny that there wasn't a shift in how we played that nearly worked. It's not an amazing strategy, but it was a necessary one if we wanted to stand a chance. Demko performed and we got the break we needed. Unfortunately Boeser didn't bury his chance which could've crippled their morale completely.

 

We faced Allen as well in the Blues series. In the end, it didn't matter who they had in net. We didn't allow Binnington to find his groove. We played against a team that very recently knew how to take it all the way and they couldn't stop us. There is no reason to try and diminish it. Perhaps Binnington looked bad because we made him look bad. If we want to play the what if game that could change series, then there are so many factors involved that could turn the tide in any series.

 

One day we may have enough talent to play more of a run and gun style, but until then, the coaching staff has to make due with what they've got and the ultimate goal is to try to get the most out of them. Pushing the team to get the Vegas series to 7 games is an example.

 The playoff experience was great for our young team and coaching staff - both the players and staff are still evolving in learning how to win together.   Looking forward to a great season (whenever it starts) from both cause it will be a battle getting into the playoffs and during the playoffs.   GCG !

[mll]

1 hour ago, theo5789 said:

It wasn't a constant 5 on 0 against Demko. We played a bunkered system to force Vegas to the outside. Demko needed to be on top of his game for this to be effective, but it was a strategy change based on schedule and a more dominant team. Our team was far from perfect and changes were needed, but you cannot deny that there wasn't a shift in how we played that nearly worked. It's not an amazing strategy, but it was a necessary one if we wanted to stand a chance. Demko performed and we got the break we needed. Unfortunately Boeser didn't bury his chance which could've crippled their morale completely.

 

We faced Allen as well in the Blues series. In the end, it didn't matter who they had in net. We didn't allow Binnington to find his groove. We played against a team that very recently knew how to take it all the way and they couldn't stop us. There is no reason to try and diminish it. Perhaps Binnington looked bad because we made him look bad. If we want to play the what if game that could change series, then there are so many factors involved that could turn the tide in any series.

 

One day we may have enough talent to play more of a run and gun style, but until then, the coaching staff has to make due with what they've got and the ultimate goal is to try to get the most out of them. Pushing the team to get the Vegas series to 7 games is an example of that.

Armstrong revealed that about 20% of their regular players caught Covid-19 and all had some form of symptoms. Some apparently even suffered considerable weight loss.  Berube said that there were key players affected.  The Blues had to close their training facilities for a while.   

 

Not sure any conclusions can be drawn in what was such a unique environment.  Not all players wanted to be there and it can affect teams if not everyone is on the same wave length. 

 

[The Colt 45s]

Do we want a guy who has tallied a total of 31 points, averaged 106 shots, with a 3.3% shooting percentage of plus three over the last three years on this team, and has been paid an average of 3.9-million?   Could we get those stats from any rookie and save almost $3-million?  This seriously should not be a discussion.

Edited December 16, 2020 by The Colt 45s

[King Heffy]

8 minutes ago, The Colt 45s said:

Do we want a guy who has tallied a total of 31 points, averaged 106 shots, with a 3.3% shooting percentage of plus three over the last three years on this team, and has been paid an average of 3.9-million?   Could we get those stats from any rookie and save almost $3-million?  This seriously should not be a discussion.

He's a defensive defenseman.  What's next, you're going to complain that Demko doesn't score enough?

[The Colt 45s]

3 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

He's a defensive defenseman.  What's next, you're going to complain that Demko doesn't score enough?

For the kind of money he wants to be signed for we could sign Chara as he is a defensive defenceman who is unsigned. Granted he plays the left side.  However, a safer approach may be Madison Bowey who has better numbers and is four years younger

[King Heffy]

24 minutes ago, The Colt 45s said:

 However, a safer approach may be Madison Bowey who has better numbers and is four years younger

Bowey isn't good in his own end.  They are not comparable players and I'd much prefer bringing in someone we can trust defensively.

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-rumour-roundup-latest-travis-hamonic-mathew-barzal/

 

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IS HAMONIC STILL A TARGET FOR THE CANUCKS?

Though 30-year-old Hamonic didn't have the best season of his career in 2019-20, the long-time shutdown specialist would still be a welcomed addition to many blue line groups around the league. He's the top available defenceman left on the market, too.

 

His range of destinations may be more narrow, though, because of a preference to play in the west and close to home. That's what led to him coming to Calgary in the first place, via trade from the Islanders.

 

After three years with the Flames, it's possible the team just has no room for him on the roster, and with only $1 million in projected salary cap space, the financials might not make sense either.

Two of Calgary's most notable off-season pickups, Jacob Markstrom and Chris Tanev, were signed away from the Canucks -- so what are the chances the Canucks would be interested in bringing Hamonic in?

 

"I do know Vancouver has been in and out on Hamonic and they were very interested in Hamonic before they acquired Nate Schmidt," Friedman said. "I still think they remain interested in Hamonic, but they probably don't have the flexibility salary-wise they did before they traded for Schmidt."

 

On top of bringing in Schmidt to shore up their top four, the Canucks and GM Jim Benning have signalled an intention to add more youth to their lineup. Olli Juolevi, Jack Rathbone, Jalen Chatfield and Brogan Rafferty will all be challenging for a roster spot in camp and would quench that preference for youth.

 

The more specific need, though, may be on the right side of the defence. Of these young players, only Chatfield shoots right. This is where Hamonic, a righty, might continue to make sense. The trickier question to answer would be how the dollars would work here.

 

Could this be a wait-and-see situation where the possibility of expanded rosters or taxi squads help sway Hamonic's (and a team's) decision? It's not clear how those will work yet, but knowing that teams will have to be prepared to deal with positive tests, injuries and compact schedules with a flat cap, it's likely the league will have to make its rosters bigger for a year. That could trigger a decision for Hamonic, and possibly put back on the table a team like Calgary, depending on what the rules are around salary, and what he wants as far as playing time guarantees.

"I could see Treliving looking at it as a safety valve," Friedman continued. "I could see him saying 'we're going to be playing a lot of back-to-back games, I don't mind having this veteran experience here.' But if you're Hamonic, are you looking at Calgary's D and saying 'I'm starting this year in the top-six?"

 

While the Flames added Tanev, they're also returning Mark Giordano, Noah Hanifin, Rasmus Andersson, Oliver Kylington, and getting back 22-year-old highly touted rookie Juuso Valimaki, who tore his ACL in 2019 and missed all of last season.

"There were some teams in the east that liked Hamonic," Friedman said. "I think Philly did. And he is very particular about where he's going to play. One of the reasons I think it's Calgary and Vancouver is because I think those are two teams he'd be happy to play for."

 

 

[Ray_Cathode]

On 12/14/2020 at 10:50 AM, Chicken. said:

 

 

I feel a bit bad for saying it, but hang em up Ferland and save your health while you can. Or there could be plans for LE and SB too if we send them to the minors not sure if we save enough.

 

Adding a veteran depth for reinforcement on defense will be huge

At this stage in the team’s development I’d prefer to stop wasting time and money on superannuated vets. Develop the kids, they are far enough along. If that doesn’t work, pick up a vet, they are waiting on the sideline desperate for a job. Heck, we already have one no longer good enough for this league, why double our misery. If we have to use a guy who is marginal, why not use a young marginal guy they just might get better. Surely one of Rafferty, Chatfield, Rathbone, Juolevi, Brisbois, or Sautner is a player. This is how we got to have a team of albatrosses that we regret having: Eriksson, Sutter, Roussel, and now Ferland (a player with concussion issues) that we gave up valuable cap in a risky move. You can’t expect to keep making the same mistakes and end up to be in a better place. At least with the young guys we might be making different mistakes, but they don’t lead to ongoing misery and might have a positive payback.

[Boudrias]

4 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

At this stage in the team’s development I’d prefer to stop wasting time and money on superannuated vets. Develop the kids, they are far enough along. If that doesn’t work, pick up a vet, they are waiting on the sideline desperate for a job. Heck, we already have one no longer good enough for this league, why double our misery. If we have to use a guy who is marginal, why not use a young marginal guy they just might get better. Surely one of Rafferty, Chatfield, Rathbone, Juolevi, Brisbois, or Sautner is a player. This is how we got to have a team of albatrosses that we regret having: Eriksson, Sutter, Roussel, and now Ferland (a player with concussion issues) that we gave up valuable cap in a risky move. You can’t expect to keep making the same mistakes and end up to be in a better place. At least with the young guys we might be making different mistakes, but they don’t lead to ongoing misery and might have a positive payback.

Some posters have made the valid point of Hamonic being better than Benn and I would not argue that. Losing Benn and signing Hamonic makes some sense if Tryamkin doesn't come back in time for playoffs. Getting the young d-core prospects TOI is more important than anything else as the group develops towards serious contention in 2-3 years out. 

[Tortorella's Rant]

Might as well; free pick up. Management was snoozing at the wheel for every other free agent. 

[aGENT]

9 hours ago, The Colt 45s said:

For the kind of money he wants to be signed for we could sign Chara as he is a defensive defenceman who is unsigned. Granted he plays the left side.  However, a safer approach may be Madison Bowey who has better numbers and is four years younger

What kind of money does he want?

 

Pretty sure that given he only wants to play in Western Canada (highly limiting the market for him) and given Covid financials, he's looking at a short, likely one year deal, at something closer to $1-$2m

 

He'd be an upgrade on Benn and added veteran depth for injuries. One kid is still quite likely making the squad and others will see time with injuries and the condensed schedule.

[Roger Neilsons Towel]

On 12/14/2020 at 12:06 PM, Ghostsof1915 said:

If the team can clear $10.5 million in cap space I'm declaring it a Festivus miracle! 

[J.I.A.H.N]

13 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Elder Schmidt

Hughes Hamonic

Juolevi Myers

 

Benn, Rafferty 

 

Thats the type of depth we need.

Hi DeNiro

 

I am good on your top 6

 

But IMHO, for what it is worth

 

I see Rathbone and Benn

 

as I don't think management would be looking at Hamonic, if Rafferty was better

 

IMO, a 20 year old Rathbone is better than a 25 year old Rafferty

 

Now in saying that, if Benning wants Rathbone down to get serious minutes or because he can be sent down and not exposed

 

well that is another discussion, but I still think Rathbone over Rafferty

 

But who am I? I could be wrong.......I love all the young kids!

 

 

[Me_]

On 12/14/2020 at 7:31 PM, Chris12345 said:

Huge upgrade over Stetcher or Benn but I fear he is exactly what we don't need.

 

Another dman who can't shoot that is injury prone and punches out of his weight class.

Man. Can’t believe Tanev and Markstrom signed with the Flamers. 29 other teams.