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  1. Oh look, Squamfan is back with ONLY negative news!

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    2. Pears

      Pears

      Man I was just getting used to the peace and quiet around here…

    3. Ghostsof1915
    4. smithers joe
  2. OEL endorsed by the Sedins. Enough said.

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    2. Iron Fist

      Iron Fist

      @Pearshe didn't fall off any cliff. he just had great year before he signed with us and playing with boston it was easy to pad those stats.

    3. Bure_Pavel

      Bure_Pavel

      @Pears Eriksson went into retirement mode the second he signed the contract it seemed. His hands turned to stone. 

    4. Dazzle

      Dazzle

      @Iron Fist That doesn't explain all those 20+ goal years he had throughout his career.


      Eriksson was thought to be a good solid winger at a good price. He was reasonably a decent skater, better numbers than Lucic, and was younger than Neal.

  3. Looking back at our draft history... our drafting/development was awful!

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    2. Dazzle

      Dazzle

      @NewbieCanuckFan
      The problem is that 7 years ago and beyond that, he could've drafted a goalie for starters in any round, or a serviceable forward or defenceman, and we'd still be afloat.

       

      The only players of any consequence that he ever drafted was Hodgson, Hutto, and Horvat, during his 6 years here. Horrible.

    3. NewbieCanuckFan

      NewbieCanuckFan

      He traded for a 24 year old goalie that was 4th in Vezina voting a season ago.  Also signed undrafted 24 year old Tanev.  (should clarify both were 24 years old when Benning was hired).  

       

      Right now our blueline is a complete mess.  None of them can play defense even on the level of a 31 year old Hamhuis (his age when Benning came aboard) save Schmidt (who is 30 years old now himself).  That's not on Gillis.

       

      Ultimately he was fired for his inability to draft.  When new GM's come into a job, of course there's going to be problems.  If there weren't, the job wouldn't be open (barring previous GM moving voluntarily elsewhere).

    4. Dazzle

      Dazzle

      The Schneider trade was a bad trade at first glance: trading away a known commodity (with a lack of developed goaltending prospects) for an unknown quantity, in which scouting is obviously a weak point of Gillis.

      If Dreger is to be believed, the return from Edmonton was supposedly a lot better than just a 9th. We'll never know. I'm not saying we 'should've' done that trade, but the return for ONLY a 9th is just bad.

      Hence my point, had Horvat not panned out, he would've been yet another long list of failed prospects. Gillis smugly said that his teams usually drafted "24 and above".

  4. Lou Lam/NYI - officially the biggest loser of expansion draft.

     

    2nd - 2021

    2nd - 2022

    3rd - 2023

    Eberle

     

    All gone. LOLOLOL.

    1. Devron44

      Devron44

      Was Eberle the only NHL player taken by Seattle :lol:

    2. drummer4now

      drummer4now

      ^ more like just being cheapos and not selecting the best available talent. 

       

      I think the expansion fee really got to the ownership. 

    3. Johnny Torts

      Johnny Torts

      Yeaaaaaahp. We need a Martin or Reaves but we wouldnt expose Pearson because of it. Or whatever Eberle eqv.

  5. Not so hot take - Seattle's expansion picks are absolutely horrific. They smoked pot.

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    2. NewbieCanuckFan

      NewbieCanuckFan

      @Dazzle Sometimes the best move is not to do anything (as in selecting an overpaid, past their prime NHL "vet".    We'll find out one way or another soon enough.

    3. Devron44

      Devron44

      Outside Dunn what does Seattle have “currently” for puck moving defencemen? We’ll find out real quick how good a team is with just defensive defencemen. 

    4. Roger Neilsons Towel

      Roger Neilsons Towel

      As a pot smoker I am offended by this. Except not really because I’m too laid back to care. 
       

      Also, they had a strategy to draft defense first and keep the cap low to weaponize cap space for trades and free agents. 
       

      Honestly a pretty solid strategy depending on what their next moves are. The next few weeks will be telling. 

  6. I think it's pretty hilarious the Schmidt thread got locked.

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    2. Devron44

      Devron44

      The entire thread was basically people arguing about the integrity of the media. LOL

    3. Devron44

      Devron44

      People say Schmidt didn’t have a good season. I disagree, the entire team had playing issues and then when it seemed to be corrected. Bam Covid. We need to add to this team but everyone just needs a fresh healthy start for the most part 

    4. Jimmy McGill

      Jimmy McGill

      I'm not knocking Nate, I like him. But it was an awful year for him to experience with the trade, covid, new coaching, etc. 

  7. Lmfao, Montreal used a coach's challenge for a goal that was blatantly legal.

    1. Petey_BOI

      Petey_BOI

      coach must know the ref ;)

  8. Patrick Johnson is a clown. His take on Lind was GARBAGE.

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    2. Dazzle

      Dazzle

      @mll@Alflives Basically he disregarded Lind in his latest commentary. His reaction was similar to "meh... he can play hockey, but he's shown nothing that proves he can play in the top six". Are you freaking kidding me?

    3. NewbieCanuckFan

      NewbieCanuckFan

      Jango Fett when asked about Patrick Johnson:

       

       

      :P

    4. J-23

      J-23

      Too many people expect young guys to step in and become an immediate impact player these days. 

  9. CDC owes Holtby a huge apology. I saw people saying, "he can't make the timely saves"

    1. Nuxfanabroad

      Nuxfanabroad

      But in fairness, he had crapped the bed a few times.

       

      Maybe over the break some of IC's teachings got imprinted firmly? Wouldn't it be sweet if the bloke went full Holtbeast-mode for a number of consecutive months?!

    2. -SN-

      -SN-

      Sample size: 1. 

  10. Go Sens Go!

  11. Refs didn't call two penalties on the same play.

    Interference + Roughing

    But of course, Boston was playing.
     

     

    1. Ghostsof1915

      Ghostsof1915

      I still say the two ref system doesn't work. If a call gets missed instead of the other referee catching it, they both miss it, and don't call it.

      If the two referee system doesn't catch the infractions the other referee doesn't, then what's the point? 

  12. Would you take a Civic or a Fiesta?

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    2. TNucks1

      TNucks1

      Civics are a pretty reliable car, dont know about fiestas

    3. Phil_314

      Phil_314

      I'll take a Civic to any post-COVID fiesta 

    4. -AJ-

      -AJ-

      Civic every day.

  13. You really do crack me up bruh. Roman P = Roman Pierce?

    That guy from 2Fast 2Furious?

    1. RomanP

      RomanP

      Just offering a friendly wager, nothing wrong with that. Oh, and keep guessing lol

    2. Dazzle

      Dazzle

      Nothing friendly about that interaction at all. Pretty hostile actually. I have nothing to gain from any interaction with you.

    3. TNucks1
  14. Don't sleep on Kailer Yamamoto.

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    3. ImConfused

      ImConfused

      Don't sleep on Nils Hoglander

    4. Coconuts

      Coconuts

      I would never, that would entail the possibility of having to spend time in Edmonton 

  15. What is wrong with Pettersson?

    1. ImConfused

      ImConfused

      Clearly he's overhyped and is a total bust and we should trade him for Nail Yakupov

  16. To equate wearing masks as being oppressed is a joke. Stay home and you don't have to wear one.

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    2. Jimmy McGill

      Jimmy McGill

      you need to move to your own private island for that life @drummer4now. If you choose to live in a democratic society be prepared to have to do some things you don't want to. 

    3. -DLC-

      -DLC-

      Yeah!  I want an elephant on my deck.  And to play bongos at 3 am on the sidewalk.  I also want to smoke in the hospital when I'm there, damn it.  And I'm sick of driving on the righthand side of the road, I'm going to the other side.  Don't tell me how to live.

       

       

    4. Dazzle

      Dazzle

      @drummer4now You are so freaking spoiled for your own good. Real 'fascist' or tyrannical countries have NO hesitation of using violence to promote compliance. THAT is real tyranny.

  17. If you're going to have a discussion, be prepared to listen to opinions that don't fit your own. From what I've seen, you're not looking for a discussion. You're trying to justify your real life behaviour, which is fine. Just don't go out and risk others in the process.

     

    You claimed to say that not wearing a mask would be killing people. That was not I said. Everything is a RISK. You go out and bang a few chicks (or dudes) here and there, you're bound to get something. That's why you wear a rubber. This is the exact principle.

     

    Condoms have broken before and they have led to pregnancies too. Do we suddenly make the argument that condoms are useless? Everything I have said is about MITIGATION. LIMITING. Going maskless is just reckless. I don't know how and why you think you could justify that.

     

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    2. Cerridwen

      Cerridwen

      COVID shows no mercy :(

      I'm sorry for your loss, Dazzle.

    3. TNucks1

      TNucks1

      sorry to hear that man, my condolences

    4. -DLC-

      -DLC-

      I'd read that story, it's so sad.  I'm sorry for this loss of your friend, D.

  18. Everyone may not have the same opinions, but calling COVID a hoax is wrong. Please do your part to slow the spread!

    1. Pears

      Pears

      Only way some of these people are gonna figure it out is if they get it themselves or lose a family member or friend to it.

    2. drummer4now

      drummer4now

      I think the rational for people to think it is a hoax is either because they know nobody personally who has it, underestimate its potential danger or live somewhere far away with zero to limited cases. 

       

      I must admit when I first heard about I thought it was a hoax because I live in a small isolated community on a island with no cases. That was until I heard stories from family members abroad describing deaths of close co-workers or friends. I am still doubtful about the science behind It and the case stats on TV as they're too Masonic for me. I always see phony numbers like 6 cases or 33 deaths which if anybody has studied masonry are very symbolic numbers and people should know about the shadow elite behind the scenes calling the shots. 

       

      Having said that COVID-19 is very real and unfortunately is being abused by some politicians for power

      (control people) and money. 

    3. KristoffWixenschon

      KristoffWixenschon

      I havent heard the "its real but the freemasons are altering the death count" narrative before! 

      I think its natural to want to believe that shadowy figures control everything that happens in the world. Our brains are wired to want to find solutions to complex problems. That's what's so fun about being a human.

      But it's probably more likely that sometimes the disease just kills 33 people that day and that number stands out to you so you notice it. Other days when 42 or 29 people die, we tend not to absorb those numbers. 

  19. Trump going to jail. Main stream news not reporting it! Fraud found everywhere. @#Canucks
     

  20. I wonder what happens if Trump wins...

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    2. -DLC-

      -DLC-

      A bunch more people die.  The border stays closed for another 4 years.  

       

      Rinse/repeat stuff.

       

      5,120,029,303 more tweets to endure.

    3. King Heffy

      King Heffy

      Yeah to be honest I'd support closing the border and discontinuing diplomatic relations.  No reason to negotiate with terrorists.

    4. smithers joe

      smithers joe

      i’ld lose faith in my fellow man. my faith says i shouldn’t judge others but i can’t handle a person that cares so little about all his people. 

  21. @Petey_BOI Your thread is a glimpse of how bad our fanbase is.

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    2. Dazzle

      Dazzle

      @Alain Vigneault I really don't believe Schneider going on to win silverware on another team would have sat well with other Canuck fans. I know I would have been very unhappy/angry with that, considering I was AGAINST this trade from the beginning. And to be honest, I genuinely don't believe you when you said you'd be okay with the trade, considering Horvat was not really thought to be an "exciting" prospect (skating was considered his weakness), and this would end up being the last time we'd see Gillis in a GM position. I do think now that the trade worked well for the Canucks (fortunately) for the sole reason that Horvat has become the beast he is now. Horvat DID address the skating issue right away, as did Boeser. We were lucky to have two hard working prospects, but they worked hard to elevate their games (not lucky).

       

      If Schneider had succeeded, it would have been another case of Cam Neely 2.0, which was brought up quite recently although briefly with regards to Virtanen. Canucks fans tend to remember the bad stuff more so than the good. We even feel like the team is cursed (draft picks, reffing, salary cap penalties etc.).

       

      Based on what you said (cap implications, lack of exciting prospects etc), I believe you have unintentionally agreed that the trade was a bad one. The Canucks couldn't even take a throw-in? One more prospect on the farm could have helped. But it seems Gillis didn't go that route. I know you said you hated the trade, but the return is weak from the Canucks POV. All that development time and certainty in Schneider, and all you get is a draft pick of an unknown value because he hasn't proven anything at the NHL level yet, plus developmental time for that player. There WAS a risk in this trade that could've set this team back even further.

       

      Contrary to what you think, it DOES exonerate Benning. If Gillis were to be given some leniency for losing draft picks, most notably the Ballard trade (Grabner, a former first round pick; a 1st round pick (25th overall, basically a 2nd rounder); Bernier (a 2nd and 3rd rounder used to pay for him), Benning should have been entitled to the same courtesy.  Both GMs were under the same ownership, and in both circumstances, winning was a priority. This ultimately dictated what GMs could do. After all, there were rumours that Aquilini did not like the rebuild idea. Could we really blame him?

       

      Fans don't show up at the hint of mediocrity (and they didn't). This is an investment, a business. A rebuild doesn't sell you tickets, no matter what the fans think about it. So, we have an owner who didn't want to go through the process of rebuilding, and it actually cost the team a lot of time and draft picks to get to this point. However, unlike Gillis, Benning actually improved the development of players, many of whom we see now on the team.

       

      You can't blame Gillis entirely either. He advocated radical changes like sleep doctors, and lobbied the league to improve travel schedules. He also got Aquilini to get new locker room facilities to re-inspire the players.  Having Ryan Walter (lol) to motivate the players. Gillis tried. And Aquilini was willing to spend every single year. You have to recognize that everyone is not faultless, but certainly not everyone is as incompetent as fans like to describe them as.

      I think I have come to appreciate more what GIllis did (and didn't do) because I recognize that ownership/playoffs handcuffed him into selling the future for success. But this narrative also highlights Benning's contributions. As with any GM, Gillis and Benning had to answer to ownership. Therefore, fans calling for a GM or a coach to be fired don't seem to realize that they are just convenient figureheads that answer to ownership. Sometimes owners let people do their jobs if they have confidence in them. I believe Aquilini has confidence in Benning right now.

      Being completely anti-Gillis or being anti-Benning doesn't let you fully understand the situation. And we see the bias on the forums every day. You'd think that nothing good is happening right now. Did you know that Buffalo (same year as us as an expansion team, 1970) has missed the playoffs 9 consecutive times?  Our fans are incoherent, ungrateful, and spoiled.

    3. AV.

      AV.

      No, I honestly wouldn't have been upset.  Like I said, I knew we were giving up a top goaltender who was capable of achieving those things.  Up until 2018, Schneider was fairly good for New Jersey anyway.  It's a shame that injuries did him in.

       

      I already said that Gillis mismanaged the Schneider/Luongo trades way back before.  I wasn't highlighting his goalie trades as good trades; I was highlighting the fact that trading Schneider to New Jersey was smarter than trading him to Edmonton, even if he walked away from "less" of a return.

       

      If you want to believe that trading picks for rentals (during a period of time when your team is a clear-cut favourite for winning the Stanley Cup) is the same thing as trading picks as throw-ins/sweeteners to upgrade prospects, then by all means.  The truth is that trading a 2nd or 3rd for a rental, which is what Gillis did, is far better risk to take than trading a 3rd with a low-grade prospect attached for Andrey Pedans, which is what Benning regularly did.  It's fine to try that gamble once but Benning made at least 2-3 of those types of deals all throughout his first two seasons.  For every serviceable Baertschi you might get, you get a sea of Veys/Larsens/Etems/Pedans.  It was super wasteful and I don't imagine ownership was pressuring him to make those deals either.  Gillis tried that with Bernier, it didn't work out, and he never did that type of move again.  So, no, Benning doesn't get a free pass because he continued to repeat these deals when it was clear early on they weren't working.

       

      Development has improved, sure, but again, it's easier to develop top 10 picks than it is picks in the 20-30 range, especially when your team is at the bottom of the basement.  When you're playing in a top team, the expectation is to develop while helping your team win.  That isn't necessarily the same case when your team is at the bottom and expected to suck.  Case and point, Zack Kassian (just 21 and 30 ish games of NHL experience) being expected to be our "Milan Lucic" upon being acquired, while somebody like Virtanen is still getting the "just wait until he matures" treatment from some fans, despite having 5 seasons of pro hockey under his belt.  Many still believe in Juolevi despite him entering his draft+5 with 1 NHL game played, having been taken as a top 5 pick.

       

      Now that Judd is gone, it will be interesting to see what amounts of the 2020 picks and picks of subsequent drafts.  I won't sit here and argue that he did all the work, but I don't think its necessarily coincidental that from 2015 - 2020, we've seen some of the best prospects and development of prospects in the organization's history.  Nevertheless, Judd wasn't here in 2014 and yet that draft produced Virtanen, McCann, Demko, and Tryamkin, so maybe this bodes well for Benning.

    4. Dazzle

      Dazzle

      @Alain Vigneault Gillis' trading for Bernier wasn't a rental. He traded the 2nd and 3rd round picks in July. This probably would have made sense if Bernier was the real deal. Later on, as I described in the other post, he was traded WITH Grabner AND a 1st for Ballard. In all of these transactions, no one was a rental. This in some way justifies Gillis' thought process at the time. There was some inherent value with Bernier and Ballard; that is until they proved to be players that didn't pan out.


      Pedan was acquired using a 4th round pick, which is comparable to how Alberts was acquired by Gillis (4th and 5th round picks, if I recall, and Alberts was a rental, but ended up signing with us afterward.) Pretty insignificant player to the rebuild/retool in the grand scheme of things, but no one can legitimately say that he hurt the team. Pedan and Alberts probably likely outperformed any of the draft picks that the above teams probably used. It's probably a wash in the end, but I didn't actually look them up.

       

      I think criticizing these trades with these medium to low grade picks is a bit nitpicky. Both GMs did this to shore up depth, which is exactly what these players were thought to be. Larsen also was a cheaply acquired pick, 4th round pick if I recall from Edmonton, but was extremely skilled. Etems was acquired in exchange of Jensen (late 1st round pick by Nonis that didn't pan out), and a 6th round). Etems actually had a decent season in Anaheim, but was clearly a reclamation project and nobody won that trade at all. Vey is really the only one that you could potentially criticize but he had very solid AHL numbers. It just didn't work out, but we will likely have no idea how much that family drama (dad accused of murder plot) affected his on-ice performance.

       

      Dunno why Baertschi's name keeps coming up though. He is/was a good player, but a 2nd (Rasmus Anderson for CAL) was used to pay for it. We never had anyone like Baertschi up until this point. In fact, he was top-six for the initial years of Benning. That's exactly how thin we were on depth. The fact that we kept trying to get semi-developed players for low-ish draft picks speeds volumes about how Benning TRIED (keyword tried) to improve the depth on this team, which had next to nothing. All those players we talked about, we had none of those in the system. Furthermore, players like Petan did end up getting traded away to NYI for scrap pieces. Remember, Benning was under the gun to try to compete. How do you do that when you have a 3rd, 4th round picks which ultimately require time to develop? Benning tried to take the shortcut, and in many of these cases, it didn't really work out. It just comes to show you how tough it is to make it to the NHL. It's also very hard to construct an NHL team, which isn't at all like the NHL video games.

       

      Juolevi is a good prospect, but his injuries have really hampered him. This pick looks really bad especially when people were clammering for Tkachuk/Nylander, and Sergachev (who really benefited being in the Tampa system, otherwise he would have been a poor selection for us). Juolevi could still be an important piece moving forward, but we will have no idea what would have happened if he wasn't so injured. Hopefully he doesn't get so unlucky from this point forward. I am still one of those hopeful about Juolevi.

       

      Virtanen is a better version of Kassian, but it's unfortunate that both players have discipline/off-ice issues. Had he panned out like a young Lucic or something, he would have been a hometown hero in the same rank as Larkin for Detroit. After hearing the stuff today that Warhippy said about Virt, I am not happy with this player anymore.

       

      Judd is a great scout, but Benning and Weisbrod (lol the Jankowski pick looks kinda bad though for what he promised) are experts at what they do. Having a third voice like Judd is not really that useful, particularly as Judd is discovering his thrill for having autonomy. Good for him. He deserved it.

       

      The McCann pick/trade was a notable flub by Benning, and Gudbranson was not a great acquisition at all, which ended up being Pearson. We still don't have anyone that is like Pearson in our system, at least not nearly as developed like he is. Everything is still in progress with Benning. Demko was an amazing pick, and so was Hoglander. (Both 2nd round picks). There's others coming that also have potential to be great (Dipietro, Lind, etc)

       

      From our discussion, we can review the Miller trade again. The 1st round pick (lottery protected) used to trade for Miller is comparable to the trade for Schneider and NJ. They're opposite trades actually, but I can explain.  NJ tried to acquire a known entity like Schneider. Canucks tried to acquired a known entity like Miller. If NJ's trade was thought to be one that made sense to the Canucks, then the trade for Miller should be seen in the same light. It should be reiterated that the 1st round pick was lottery protected, which TB was not able to get. Miller was on a good contract, and so was Schneider. You have to pay to get something good in return. Although TB had a cap crunch, they didn't have to sell too low for Miller because he was still someone who was producing on their team.

       

      If you thought there wasn't a risk to trade Schneider, but thought Miller's trade was risky, there is something inconsistent in that analysis. Both trades were calculated risks. When you think about it, do you realize that Schneider's failure in NJ and poor team performance likely had an impact on Lou Lamouriello's reputation as a GM? Some decisions don't work out and the blame goes to the GM, whether that's fair or not. There's a 2015 article I saw just from a search that put NJ's failures on Lou.

       

      https://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/pat-hickey-blame-gm-lamoriello-for-the-devils-problems

      It doesn't talk about Schneider, but we both know he struggled mightily along with the team. Imagine if he had been another Brodeur...

  22. "It's not a perfect trade, but it's a really good one." - Arrow 1983

  23. Looking at Vegas' draft record. It does not look pretty.

    1. Quantum

      Quantum

      They've only drafted 4 times in franchise history and there first draft class (2017) has already had 4 players make their NHL debuts (Cody Glass, Nick Suzuki, Erik Brannstrom, and Nicolas Hague)... which, coincidentally, are the first 4 picks in franchise history. Obviously, Suzuki & Brannstrom were dealt away but that's really good for a draft class.

       

      And don't forget that in that 2017 draft class they also picked Jack Dugan who had 52 points last year playing in the NCAA and just signed his entry level deal with Vegas this summer -- and also Lucas Elvenes who, at 20, was one of the AHL's leading scorers last season with 48 points in 58 games.

       

      They also have Preyton Krebs who is a legit prospect (picked in 2019). Peter Diliberatore looks like he could be something and was a 2018 pick, a defenseman, who is playing the NCAA. And Ivan Morozov is a 2018 second rounder who is playing in the KHL as a defenseman.

       

      It's true that they lack the true elite prospect depth that you'd expect from a traditional expansion team but they've shown that they are clearly not a traditional team and they're in win now mode.

       

      I think they've done a pretty good job all things considered. There's gonna be lots of misses and some undrafted, college guys who come out of nowhere and make an in impact on their lineup (Zach Whitecloud) but you can say that about most teams.

       

      With that said, they haven't held a high draft pick since 2017 and there'll be a time when they collapse. I think there window will close in about 2-3 seasons, when Vancouver's window is truly open.

       

      But who knows how they'll use a 2022 third rounder -- hard to say. All I know is that the Canucks stole Nate Schmidt from Vegas and we should be thrilled by that.

  24. Bring back neg reps please. Some threads aren't trying to promote a discussion but to rehash old ideas. Not productive.

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